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[-] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 111 points 2 weeks ago

"we heavily biased the network against trains and now it's just saying the optimal car consists of several metal struts connecting just two thinned out wheels that the driver sits on top of and propels themselves using pedals. It was busy redesigning intersections to have clear safe lanes for these bi-cycle 'cars' with plenty of trees / room for pedestrians when we pulled the plug..."

[-] 257m@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 weeks ago

Even in bike racing the optimal form ends being to become a train. A peloton is just a train made up of bikes.

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

And then imagine if instead of wheels a bicycle was on a track with even greater reduced rolling resistance than skinny overinflated tires and didn't require lumbar strength for balance.

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[-] riskable@programming.dev 97 points 2 weeks ago

This is just the AI bias showing through: It's all that training.

[-] minnow@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago

Nice pun, I think you railed it

[-] dditty@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago

They were certainly on the right track

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

People who are biased against trains have a real loco motive.

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[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 76 points 2 weeks ago

So what you're saying is the optimal form is some kind of crab train?

[-] rothaine@lemm.ee 55 points 2 weeks ago

Hey there 👋, I know you mean well by that comment, like I get it, I do. ☺️ But I just wanted to let you know:

THERE HAVE BEEN ZERO STUDIES DONE ON THE SAFETY OF CRAB TRAINS.

ZERO.

But despite that, they are gaining widespread support, and now even people like yourself are calling them "optimal."

Listen: Someone I know lost an arm in the pincer mechanism of one of these trains. More work needs to be done before we can consider them safe, nevermind "optimal". Don't buy into the techbro BS.

Friends don't let friends crab train.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Hey, when the train needs blood the train gets blood

[-] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Choo choo Charlie intensifies

[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 5 points 2 weeks ago

As a tf2 player. A crab train is majestic.

[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 61 points 2 weeks ago

Do you hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability.

[-] nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee 47 points 2 weeks ago
[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

the last time I gave factorio a serious run was waaaay back in its beta, before it was even finished and had an end game.

its just gotten so complicated since then that I get overwhelmed, especially when you start to scale up and realize you fucked something up and have to undo an entire day of shit to move something 2 tiles or something.

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[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago

Sharing because I was delighted to learn this: trees are also an example of convergent evolution. I'm personally rooting for us to become trees. Pun intended.

[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

That seems unfairly obvious, but I certainly didn't consider it before.

[-] Wofls@feddit.org 7 points 2 weeks ago

Okay so now we are looking at some kind of tree-crab-train as the crown of creation, am I understanding this correctly?

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[-] dondelelcaro@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

There's likely some cases of convergent evolution, but I'm not sure this is settled for all trees.

I'd suspect that at least some trees with last common ancestors that are shrubs have re-enabled genes that enable the tree phenotype rather than independently evolving the tree phenotype.

But still really cool (and maybe turns on exactly how much evolution your consider needs to happen before it's convergent evolution.)

[-] 404@lemmy.zip 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 weeks ago

Minimum rolling friction by having hard wheels on a hard surface. Minimum wind resistance by making it long and narrow. Minimum stop time by having big doors.

BAM: train.

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 weeks ago

Well, the automotive industry has been working on making self driving a thing, and I recall when they first tried to tackle the problem of lane keeping.

The first proposal was to embed magnets or similar into the road surface that the car could have a set of sensors for to determine if it was drifting left or right in its lane.

Motherfucker, that's just a virtual track for your dumb four-wheeled mini-train.

It didn't catch on, but AFAIK it was implemented in small areas as a trial and it performed adequately given the technology of the time.

So I'm out here going, why the fuck are we pretending that vehicles are not just rail-free personal trains?

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The first proposal was to embed magnets or similar into the road surface that the car could have a set of sensors for to determine if it was drifting left or right in its lane.

That's a thing for forklifts since what, a century? Even better, they use a wire with a set frequency instead of magnets, it's called wire guidance system.

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[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago

That's the end game for self-driving cars. They can drive close enough together to draft, efficiency goes way up. If a problem happens ahead, they communicate back so that pileups don't happen.

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[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
[-] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 14 points 2 weeks ago

Cars in a station?

[-] Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

IDK why but I actually thought the title was this pun when I first read it. It was only after reading your comment that I realized that OP didn't actually cash in on the joke (skill issue, smh).

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[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 weeks ago
[-] rivenb@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

The children inside make it scary

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[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Train cars are crabs. They've got an exoskeleton, they're squat bodied, many legged, and have pincers on either side. All they have to do is start moving that body plan around some and they will be crabs.

[-] jawsua@lemmy.one 4 points 2 weeks ago

Checks out: while they CAN move forward, they highly prefer to move side to side

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 16 points 2 weeks ago

Crab-spotting is completely undervalued as a cultural activity.

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[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Ha! I was thinking along these lines reading science fiction the other day. In every novel where stuff has to get moved overland, it's always a train. No matter their tech level, trains are the simplest, most efficient solution.

[-] rational_lib@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

There's two kinds of ground transportation: off-roading, and should be a train.

[-] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 weeks ago

I know it's a shitpost, but i hate that people interpret carcinisation as a crab being the ultimate piece of evolution.

When learning evolution like algorithms in computer science, one of the first things you learn is strategies to not get stuck in locally optimal solutions (solutions that seem the best when you look at other nearby solutions, but are worse than other solutions if you allow your algorithm to look further away).

Crabs seem like that, it's just an easy defensive evolution that then stagnates in a form that kind of works. Seeing how many crabs we eat, and how few crabs eat us, it's obvious that crabs aren't the actual pinnacle of evolution, just some locally optimal solution that evolution tends to get stuck in :p.

[-] doortodeath@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

We will see (or not) who has the last laugh, crabs or homo sapiens sapiens?

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 2 weeks ago

Like came back in a million years. Bet crabs are going to be still around while we'll already extinct.

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[-] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Well if every vehicle becomes autonomous then isn't that just a large scaled high speed train?

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 10 points 2 weeks ago

Yes. That is the point. Trains are optimal.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

Inter-vehicle cooperation and autonomy makes highways act like trains, yes, with a bunch of unnecessary steps

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[-] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

With how bad semis rut the road I've been wanting to see them with retractable train wheels on the back

[-] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodal_container this is kinda the same idea.. same container can be transferred from ship to rail to truck

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

If trains were optimal, they'd have pincers.

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They do though?
Train Coupling

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