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I don't know if I'm going crazy but looking at the current situation in the world ... please tell me that I'm overexagurating

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[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 2 points 52 minutes ago* (last edited 44 minutes ago)

I am personally looking for a few things that will concern me about escalation:

  • Japan and Finland making active land claims to Russia (actively reoccupying disputed land with troops)

  • Europe putting peace keepers in Western Ukraine (which will create a casus belli for war with Russia), specifically France and the UK. I mean, Poland as well, but if Poland says they are putting peacekeeping troops in Ukraine, Russia should either back off or assume war.

  • South Korean troops in Ukraine. (Ridiculous given their current chaos, but stranger things have happened in the last year).

Other than that, the russian frog has been very well boiled for 3 years. Even China has probably gone back to the drawing board on a taiwan invasion, and added a delay until 10 millions drones are available.

I do have concerns trump will pull the us back in europe, making the second item above possible if not likely. The first trump presidency shook us primacy in europe, and the second may see it start to unravel. If europe has to take russia alone, the us should consider china a personal problem from now on (as well as any other concerns not near europe), as no one will see value in going to war with a fair-weather ally.

[-] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago

I think it il depend on the military industrial complex in the USA and whether they decide to off Trump or not. If Trump goes isolationist then they'll probably merc him. If he invades Panama and starts a hot war with Iran then there probably won't be a world war (ironically). If China invades Taiwan and the US blinks then there won't be a world war. If the US attacks China for taking over Taiwan then we'll be in a world war.

[-] DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago
[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

You're not overexagerating, the property crisis in the imperial core is becoming so severe that there are only 2 solutions, either the people rebel against its ruling class or they side with them and engage in yet another settler project. In my honest opinion, the latter seems like the most probably outcome, its already very advanced in Palestine and its starting in Syria.

I don't think so.

Primarily because there's not economic benefit in it for the ruling class.

Also, we've made the experience of the war in the middle east around 2000 where the USA couldn't even occupy a farmer's state for more than a couple years.

I don't think anybody realistically thinks they can take over another (big) country in this time.

[-] con_fig@programming.dev 6 points 6 hours ago

Famously the same was said about WWI re the economic benefit.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 9 points 13 hours ago

No thanks. Appreciate the offer though, very kind of you.

[-] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 5 points 12 hours ago

So, WW3 won't happen until the oligarchy says it's time. Not sure why now would be the time, but I suppose it could be. There's like a billion people in the world making a dollar a day, a few billion people only making a few dollars a day... That's a few billion dollars per day the oligarchy almost certainly thinks belongs in their pocket instead. So I could see them continuing to squeeze the world for every last drop of wealth, which I think will cause unrest in a lot of places. Add climate change to that and I think things just get bad everywhere for most people. Obviously the oligarchy will just go to their islands, yachts, bunkers until a few billion are dead and they can pop back out with their private armies ready to "save" the world.

A lot of people think they need us to buy their trinkets, but the entire consumer middle class is only like 100 years old, and I think was only designed to keep us distracted while they plundered the world. Now that a small handful of people own everything, and soon enough robots and AI will replace most human labor, it's mission accomplished and we can go back to feudalism where they are gods and everyone else is slaves.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 21 points 17 hours ago

Could already be going. We didn't name them World War 1 and World War 2 until after they were over

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Yeah, I’d tend to agree. The war is digital and economic. Countries are hacking each other’s infrastructure and commercial systems, mass propaganda and spying with troll farms, tiktok and even hardware. Plenty of fighting with sanctions, tariffs, bans of sales of technology.

Fighting for land right now is really unnecessary, however depending on how well humanity survives climate change I’d expect to see some arguments going in to drilling and mining places like Greenland, the arctic and antarctic. China is already setting up shop in Antarctica.

We are also all tied together economically in so many different ways that a war between major powers would be economically devastating for everyone before the first shot is fired, particularly for the countries that ceded most of their production to other countries that might be hostile in war.

[-] hansolo@lemm.ee 4 points 11 hours ago

Is already going for the last 10 years.

[-] folaht@lemmy.ml 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I would say world war is still years away, but if SK in your name means slovakia then comfort yourself that you might find yourself in the early BRICS block vs US empire wars, so hopefully it'll be over without too much war in your country soon.

[-] Amaterasu@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

No one in Europe would be safe in a nuclear war.

[-] Hubi@feddit.org 89 points 1 day ago

please tell me that I’m overexagurating

You're overexaggerating.

Spelling it different is like crossing your fingers behind your back. WW3 confirmed.

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Nah, there won't be WW3. Instead we get countries sabotaging each other via hacking critical infrastructure, proxy wars, propaganda, trade wars.

I doubt there will ever be a direct "hot war" between the top five nuclear powers ever again.

WW3 is not what's gonna kill people, climate change is more likely gonna be humanity's downfall.

[-] SparrowHawk@feddit.it 10 points 21 hours ago

I think that the true world war 3 will not be nations against nations, but citizens against their own nations. The stage is set for an actual paradigm shift or system annihilation. We will not support civilization if it doesn't change, either the people destroy the pyramid or the pyramid will destroy the world.

[-] Danitos@reddthat.com 4 points 19 hours ago

I kinda doubt that will happen. For instance, look at Venezuela: Venezuelans are beyond fed up with Maduro's dictatorship, but there's nothing they can do against the government forces.

Governments will do anything they can to prevent a paradigm change.

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

You must mean venezuelans living in the US. Maduro won elections in Venezuela.

[-] Danitos@reddthat.com 1 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, the rigged ones lol. There's even mathematical evidence of it being rigged, with votes accounting for exact percentages with just 2 decimal places, for every single candidate.

Venezuela hasn't publish the official acts, nor let international observers be present in the elections. There was heavy repression on elections day as well, plus some offices not letting people vote.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 4 points 8 hours ago

Venezuela has been hurt by sanctions because the government was helping the people. The wealthy people of Venezuela don’t like the government because it is more socialist.

[-] Danitos@reddthat.com 1 points 5 hours ago

It is the poorer population that suffers the most. That's the reason Venezuela has such a big emigration crisis, and every latinamerican country has also seen such a massive influx of poor emigrants. I experience this firsthand, almost daily.

It is not rich people that the militia constantly murders/kidnap.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 2 points 2 hours ago

It’s also difficult to get an honest picture of what is happening there as pretty much all western media has blatantly supported the more than a dozen coup attempts by the USA since 2000 alone. Folks who are able to get out are also biased in one way or another. We can empathize with their lived experience and try to help the immigrants without taking their personal experience to be the absolute truth of the experiences of all Venezuelans. But again, most of the issues that affect the citizens are directly caused by US sanctions, not Maduro or the government.

I can believe that the poor folks would suffer the most so I can’t disagree with you there, but Venezuela is a bad comparison to make, per your original comment I posted to, as far as the point you were trying to make on the orginal thread topic.

[-] SparrowHawk@feddit.it 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

We'll see about that.

[-] Achyu@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 14 hours ago

Is it really a dictatorship?

[-] Danitos@reddthat.com 1 points 5 hours ago

Absolutely, yes.

[-] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 5 points 17 hours ago

What revolution really takes is soldier's that are protecting the system being unwilling to kill when the "rebels" are their family and friends.

If soldiers have love for the people and see common cause more than they fear their leaders then the leader can fall.

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[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

No. It’s bad for the economy.

[-] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 3 points 13 hours ago

To the wealthy, volatility is opportunity. Yeah, the market will go down for a while, and later it'll go back up. Billionaires will cash in both ways.

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[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 27 points 1 day ago

The situation today is nowhere near as bad as the Cold War.

Think of it this way. All of the 0.01%ers in china, USA and Russia share the same tastes and values. Think any of them are really hot to blow up their nice places on the Rivera?

[-] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

In 2001 there was that 9/11 thing and it sounded like WW3 had just started. Turns out, it didn't. Well, lots of things did happen as a result of it, but WW3 wasn't one of them. Soon after that, USA was involved in a number if wars in the middle east and it felt like WW3 had just started. Again, it didn't. Some time around 2010s the tension between North Korea and South Korea was getting pretty intense, and a friend of mine started talking WW3... As usual, WW3 didn't start.

At the moment, the situation in Ukraine feels just like all the other major incidents, but we'll see how it works out. If you expose your mind to tabloid journalism, it begins to feel like the entire world is about to explode. History has a tendency of repeating itself, so I suggest reading about the things that lead to WW1 and WW2. Once, you've done that, you'll begin to pay attention to certain signs and start ignoring most of the nonsense tabloids keep writing about.

[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That's just survivorship bias, you didn't live through the worlds where all those things escalated into flat out war, you dimension skipping hippie.

[-] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 3 points 15 hours ago

I’m a very picky hippie when it comes to dimensions.

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