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Serious answers only. For over a year I was told that trump "doesn't have anything to do with that".

I honestly need to know from an actual Republican who believed trumps words and is now witnessing p2025 almost hit 50% completion with the department of education getting dismantled.

And with that; how do these people feel that public schools, daycare centers and tech schools all going to cost 3-6x as much as it does now for tuition?

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[-] Lazer365@lemm.ee 69 points 2 weeks ago

I live surrounded by republicans and they are super happy with all the good things Trump is doing together with puppet master Musk. Everything that he said during his fake State of the Union was truth and proof of his many victories during the first 2 months of his presidency. I tried once to bring up how the tariffs are sales tax for Americans (making life even more unaffordable), because I thought that would be something nobody could disagree with, and weeks later I’m still getting shit about it. I am convinced that he could launch a nuke on a ‘lib city’ and most of the republicans would still applaud it. In a cult the leader is always right and is never to blame for the bad.

[-] SolidShake@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago

It's crazy. How many Democrats do you know that had Joe Biden profile pictures? I know people can't tell their in a cult usually. But man they make it obvious most of the time.

[-] SaraTonin@lemm.ee 13 points 2 weeks ago

There’s a guy in the news at the moment who has started a GoFundMe for a legal defence for his wife who has been deported. Says he doesn’t regret his vote for Trump.

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[-] db2@lemmy.world 58 points 2 weeks ago

Most are fine with it. Remember the people that died of covid denying it existed the whole time? That's the type. They're dumb af.

[-] Tm12@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 weeks ago

People who have never experienced oppression just thinking it’s business as usual.

Wearing a mask ain’t oppression either 😂

[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago

That's part of the problem, a lot of people don't realize they are the oppressors

[-] db2@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

The other part is the ones that do.

[-] benignintervention@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

And all of those people who had family die from covid and still thought masks were a form of thought control

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[-] Caffeinated_Sloth@lemmy.world 56 points 2 weeks ago

Just for some perspective: in 2009 I was a Christian nationalist and I thought Obama was going to use FEMA to imprison conservative dissenters and would turn the US into a communist dictatorship. I hoped and prayed for an explicitly Christian government and an end to most federal programs. If I had the same worldview now, I would be orgasmically happy with the way things are going.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 46 points 2 weeks ago

How in the name of sweet baby imaginary white Jesus did you get out of that mindset!?

[-] HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth 38 points 2 weeks ago

Pray tell what changed your view?

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[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

I'd also be interested in hearing about how you changed your views.

[-] madsjchic@lemm.ee 15 points 2 weeks ago

Not even trying to be mean but probably themself or someone they know personally got hurt.

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Not necessarily. In my case, psychedelics played a huge role in finally making everything click.

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[-] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago

You're very unlikely to get a response from a Republican on Lemmy

[-] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 51 points 2 weeks ago

Truth.

Some will call Lemmy an echo chamber. Personally, I don't give a damn. Sharing platforms with far-right lunatics is a deeply unpleasant experience.

[-] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

I don't need dumbass opinions in any chamber I'm occupying, Republicans can stay gone for all I care

I like to fuck with em when I can. Keep the space hostile to them, it worked for punk bars it works for us.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I like to fuck with em when I can. Keep the space hostile to them, it worked for punk bars it works for us.

Heh come make a meme or 2 on !conservative@lemmy.world though I will admit it's a tad less fun without actual conservatives to downvote, but it's still fun lolol

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[-] fitgse@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago

It would be one thing if we were debating different ways to solve health care, education, incarceration, mental health, homelessness, wealth inequality, or something else.

While I personally think the right is wrong in their solutions I’d be happy to debate them.

But the right isn’t talking about these issues or solutions for them. You can’t have a debate when you’re talking about two completely different things.

[-] itsprobablyfine@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 weeks ago

Not just different things, but whether those things even exist

Like, I'm all about debating the best approaches to fighting climate change. I'm not about debating whether it exists.

You can't debate solutions when you disagree about what the problem is

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago

Especially when they think your views are the problem.

[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

As much as I can understand your point, it's a truth that if you can argue against your beliefs, you have a full understanding of both sides. You should be well versed in order to provide a solid understanding. Just as one side wants the other to hear reason, there has to be a common ground somewhere.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

That's fantastic advice. Every now and then you gotta check yourself. Those MAGA folks don't know they're brainwashed, and honestly, neither would any of us. Nobody is too smart for propaganda!

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 8 points 2 weeks ago

Oh great Garfield of the lasagna, share with us your wisdom.

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[-] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Those MAGA folks don't know they're brainwashed, and honestly, neither would any of us.

I challenge this line of reasoning. All that is required is asking the question "is that true?", then attempting to answer that question. There are very few modern conservative talking points that cannot be riddled with holes via 10 min of googling. I understand that people of western society have had our attention robbed of us, but all that is required is a desire to know the truth. They don't. They want to have an interesting story that triggers their emotions. I will not abide apologies for anyone still supporting the MAGA agenda.

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[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Understanding the other side doesn't mean there will be a common ground. Understanding nazis doesn't mean there is common ground to share with them.

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[-] sifr@retrolemmy.com 34 points 2 weeks ago

At this point, I don't know why Republicans don't outright just say they want people who they see as less than them suffering and/or dead. That's their only consistent political view.

[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Edit: apparently the part in OP starting "From a Republican..." is not meant to imply that OP is a Republican. As it lacked a main verb, I assumed it was ultimately meant as a relative clause and misassigned it to "I". Leaving this comment anyway but it doesn't apply to OP.

I appreciate you taking the time to write this post, and I appreciate you noticing this trend.

But I've got to be honest: the writing was on the wall the whole time. Being in the Republican bubble doesn't really change the fact that you only get here from a lack of critical thinking and a general susceptibility to propaganda. These are things that many people spend time and resources getting educated about. It's hard to have sympathy when the whole country is now suffering because so many were so sure they knew better.

If I sound angry, I am. I do hope you take it constructively, but you also need to understand: most of the damage has already been done. It doesn't really matter how you feel from here on out, because the deed (from voters) is done.

[-] SolidShake@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

I voted for Harris lol, and that was because I thought she was the lesser of the two evils overall. I wish Michelle Obama ran for office.

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[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 14 points 2 weeks ago

I don't know any republicans personally but I would not be surprised if, given a choice between admitting fault and feeling bad, or literally any other option including lying or violence, they won't admit fault. If they weren't emotionally stunted, they wouldn't be conservatives.

[-] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago

This is why blaming conservatives or getting them to admit fault doesn't work. It only makes them become more defensive and entrenched.

A better approach is to appeal to their victim complex. IE: Instead of "Trump is ruining this country and its your fault for voting for him!" try "Dude, Trump is screwing us! This isn't the great America we were promised!" or some variation of that. Gotta use different tactics.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 10 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, you have to make them see you as a member of a shared in-group. That's the most important thing to them (and many people, honestly. we're all susceptible to tribalism and such)

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[-] ToadOfHypnosis@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago

The older ones are hearing stories of social security being canceled on people like them and they are getting nervous. My vehement Trump supporting co-workers are having trouble backing things he does. The cracks are small and slow but the confidence in their statements of support are getting weaker. I think some support is eroding, but it’s slow. It’s really going to have to affect them more directly for it to fully erode sadly. Though I think it will, the damage the right will inflict in the mean time will change this country for generations.

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[-] SolidShake@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

This is a cool website. Thank you.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

They don't think Trump and Musk are doing anything wrong. When quizzed they'll ask you to name anything they've done wrong.

Everything Trump and Musk are doing is guised in Libertarian and Conservative values.So nothing wrong has been done on their eyes.

If you go places like r/JordanPeterson (to ask) and r/Conservative to observe the media landscape - you'll see that "The Woke" are wrong and have turned violent against Tesla. You'll see Trump and Musk are thought of as doing great things.

That's how they think. They're not in the same media landscape as everyone else is.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 7 points 2 weeks ago

That’s how they think. They’re not in the same media landscape as everyone else is.

This is literally the cause of all our issues. Fucking propagandists creating an alternate "reality" for Magoos to exist within where they are the good guys fighting the evil evil communist far left scum.

I can blame a Magoo for being so susceptible to hate filled ppropaganda, but I really REALLY fucking despise the propagandists with every fiber of my being. If there were ever a group of people that deserved a firing squad it would be those like Sean Hannity who know exactly what they're doing...

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[-] libra00@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Oh no, the lying liar who is best known for lying about literally everything lied and gullible people believed it (or conveniently ignored it, or didn't care or thought it was just peachy because they thought it wouldn't apply to them and were perfectly fine with it applying to other people)? Who could possibly have predicted that? Oh wait, I think literally every left wing person in the US predicted that.

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

Republicans lie. As any fascist party, they don't have any consistent ideology beyond hurting people. They'll invent whatever reasoning and justification they need to justify their bullying, and they'll immediately abandon that reason for another convenient excuse when necessary.

Republicans lie. They knew damn well what Project 2025 was, and they were in favor of all of it. When they said Trump had nothing to do with it, they were lying. Republicans ultimately don't care what happens to society, or even themselves personally. They would gladly vote to lower the quality of their own lives, as long as the undesirables were hurt in equal measure.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

According to my neighbors on neighborhood.com, it's fake news. Seriously. They simply don't believe Trump has anything to do with it.

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