So the coconuts migrated, but the majority population of many of the islands were taken there as cargo?
Oof, good point
Please do not disturb the migratory fruits
The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?
They could grip it by the husk
Do you're telling me that it had nothing to do with swallows being either European or African?!
But then of course, uh, African swallows are non-migratory.
It could grip it by the husk.
It’s not a matter of where it grips it! It’s a matter of weight ratios!
A five ounce bird could not carry a 1 pound coconut.
I’m so glad that this 50-year-old joke is still funny.
Good jokes never die, nor do Black Knights.
35 million years of coconuts in Asia and they didn't float over until after traders established shipping routes to Asia?
Yes, but for human related reasons. Humans moved them around a lot in Africa and Asia - moving them from Southeast Asia to India and Madagascar is bound to have an impact on the currents they get caught up in.
are you proposing some kind of Columbus effect where people heading to India will occasionally end up in Taino land by accident
According to the first article that popped up in the search results the most likely theory is portugese traders brought them over from madagascar.
The float yeah and that's how they spread, but the coconuts were mostly brought by ships.
A coconut is really good on a ship 500 years ago, you have fresh water, some nutrition, etc.
Some ship gets destroyed with a load of coconuts on board and so it began probably.
Then when even the first ones have taken root, they start floating from isle to isle themselves.
"500 years ago*
Columbus makes the trip in 1492, 533 years ago.
Yeah that checks out.
I'm gonna cast doubt on this. It happened too conveniently after people figured out long distance sea travel.
If they would have floated it's much more likely that it happened somewhere in the last million years rather than the last 500.
Yes, it is wrong. It was the result of the sea migrations of the Astronesians
Not accurate. They were taken by Astronesians during their seaborne migrations.
Read more here
So, aliens did it. I knew it.
It also plays a central role in the Coconut Religion founded in 1963 in Vietnam.
follows the Coconut Religion link
The Coconut Religion was founded in 1963 by Vietnamese mystic and scholar Nguyễn Thành Nam,[1] also known as the Coconut Monk,[2][3] His Coconutship,[4] Prophet of Concord,[4] and Uncle Hai[4] (1909 – 1990[5]).
Oh, come the fuck on, now
I was wondering how the heck coconuts journeyed around the southern passages for what would have been probably years on ocean currents and arrive in the caribbean still viable for growth.
Or carried by a sparrow.
Not really gonna happen.
They took the Panama Canal, obviously.
A swallow could grip it by the husk
they only think coconuts floated over on their own 500 years ago because austronesians are supernaturally invisible to white people
Bingo. I thought this was interesting and went looking for more information and its fake. They were brought to other parts of the world, first by austronesians and later by European sailors.
Someone in this thread needs to say who austronesians are
Edit:
The Austronesian peoples, sometimes referred to as Austronesian-speaking peoples, are a large group of peoples who have settled in Taiwan, maritime Southeast Asia, parts of mainland Southeast Asia, Micronesia, coastal New Guinea, Island Melanesia, Polynesia, and Madagascar that speak Austronesian languages. They also include indigenous ethnic minorities in Vietnam, Cambodia, Myanmar, Thailand, Hainan, the Comoros, and the Torres Strait Islands. The nations and territories predominantly populated by Austronesian-speaking peoples are sometimes known collectively as Austronesia.
They're basically the proto Pacific Islanders. It's believed that their civilizations all trace back to a group of people from the island of Taiwan/Formosa, who learned how to sail over the deep ocean and set up new communities, bringing chickens, pigs, taro, coconuts.
They settled modern day Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, as far west as Madagascar, to Melanesia, Micronesia, and Polynesia, and most of the other Pacific Islands, as far east as Easter Island. Native Hawaiians, Samoans, Guamese, etc., are all Austronesian. Most ethnic groups considered native to these islands trace back to Austronesian expansion.
There are shared linguistic and cultural ties that showed that they had recent comment ancestry, that has since been confirmed by DNA genealogy.
Coconuts have evolved to spread from island to island by floating, but it's still weird that one happened to float to the other side of the world in historic times. I would have guessed that either the currents could never take a coconut there or that the currents would have taken a coconut there long ago.
(When I visit Florida, I see coconuts float by sometimes. Some have been in the water a long time - they're covered in barnacles. However, if they're still floating does that mean they might still be viable?)
Y'know... I'd have found all this "coconuts floated from Asia to the Caribbean" stuff pretty far fetched...
But not two years ago I was fishing, and a goddamn coconut floated right down and bumped me in the leg.
In the Monongahela River.
In Pittsburgh.
Floating upstream - what a coconut!
Mysterious ways, I tells ya!
I'm picturing it jump up rapids like a salmon.
Caribbean from Asia? did they take the Panama Canal 400 years before it was built? there is not path that isn't crazy
Asia via the Pacific to the Americas, then a swallow grabs one and brings it to the Atlantic coast.
They went around the horn like a real man!
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