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Get fuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked

“This isn’t going to stop,” Allen told the New York Times. “Art is dead, dude. It’s over. A.I. won. Humans lost.”

"But I still want to get paid for it."

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[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 48 points 2 months ago

Only I am allowed to steal only-throw

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

Everyone’s a property rights absolutist until the rich demand you share with them.

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 40 points 2 months ago

All AI art has the exact same value as an NFT. I can copy-paste your image and make it mine, I can copy-paste your prompt and make it mine. Labour Theory of Value Gang stay winning.

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago

But I still want to get paid for it

If only there was an economic system that made it so he could make a good living regardless of the output of his work... soviet-hmm

[-] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

At the end of the day, I think this is the important thing. Arguments about IP and how AI (or AI "artists") affect artists are understandable, but are missing the forest for the trees.

There's one, singular reason art isn't well recognised nor compensated: Capitalism. And so long as it exists, no attitude or approach to AI, no purity filter, no level of enforcement of IP law, is going to effectively protect artists and meaningfully allow them to pursue their work.

[-] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)
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[-] yoink@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago

Art is dead, dude. It's over. AI won. Humans lost.

me when I totally understand art and respect the medium I want people to give me clout for

[-] buh@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago

"famous" "AI" "artist"

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago

Dan Bongos, 32, of Cedar Rapids is suing Penthouse for copying his AI hentai artwork "Chun Li's Honkers" for their annual "Girls Of Games SPREAD".

[-] Anvil_Lavigne@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago

almost wanna be feeding prompts until i hit the most scrumptious stack of cash w/ half a jesus & extra fingers

like here's ur payment sir big-cool

[-] bazingabrain@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I mean even if we disregard the AI art shit, this piece is so bland, fails the 3 second rule and has practically no direction or sense of light direction. Its like pouring fifty brands of cereals in a bowl of milk because you think more cereals=more good, except, no, fuckface, its just gonna turn into a disgusting, unpalatable mush that no one in their right mind would eat.
also

Jason M. Allen, an executive at a tabletop gaming startup,

get this fucking guy out of here hes a fucking bozo!

[-] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

"Tabletop gaming startup" has to be a bit. Like there's no way he's getting venture capitalists to invest in Pokémon cards...r-right?

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[-] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago

Famous AI Artist

lenin-sure lenin-dont-laugh

[-] vegeta1@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[-] asante@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago
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[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 months ago

I get that socialists will naturally be sympathetic to artists who often are not well compensated for their labor. However I think it’s also important that we understand that in order to make a living, independent artists rely heavily on intellectual property law. As such, they tend to want to categorize all AI art as unoriginal and derivative of existing works.

Unfortunately I think that’s a bit of a liberal argument. It ascribes some ineffable quality to human creativity that AI cannot replicate. In doing so it obfuscates the process by which the state creates and enforces a market for intellectual property. Therefore, I don’t think it’s particularly useful argument for socialists to make.

That’s not to say “AI” companies aren’t exploiting the work of unpaid artists. That is definitely still true. We just need to be advocating for solutions that go beyond what capitalist markets can offer.

[-] Andrzej3K@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

I don't think it is a particularly ineffable quality though? It's art because another human did it, and it really doesn't have to be much deeper than that. That said, I do agree that intellectual property is ultimately blind alley. What most people don't understand is that IP laws are only enforceable in the name of capital.

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[-] yoink@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

Unfortunately I think that’s a bit of a liberal argument. It ascribes some ineffable quality to human creativity that AI cannot replicate.

every single time the AI argument comes down to this. "oh you just don't trust AI cos youre a rube who believes in a soul" no motherfucker I'm just not some fucking anti-intellectual who has decided, apropros of NO research into neuroscience, that I know how the brain works and it MUST be analogous to something algorithm based machines can understand

you genuinely don't know what you're talking about, and you have to take so many intellectual shortcuts to derive your position that you are not worth taking seriously

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[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 months ago

Yeah I think what AI is exacerbating is the tension between creativity and commodity. Businesses don't celebrate art, they seek profits. Images, articles, music, and whatever else are all simply products to sell under capitalism. Turning every artist into a copyright lawyer won't change the fact that their creations are ultimately still commodities.

I see a lot of arguing over the definition of "art" but that's beside the point. The problem is the entire bourgeois concept of property and the way capitalism impoverishes the working class so that they must spend their lives selling their labor.

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[-] Fishroot@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago
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[-] nothx@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

eaaaaat shit, guy.

[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago

AI art just steals from other artists to make it's own cursed style.

No such thing as AI artist bc their is no such thing as AI art.

[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

I disagree that AI is “stealing” for the same reason I don’t think piracy is stealing. It’s true that everything AI produces is inherently derivative. However, intellectual property only exists as a set of market relationships enforced by the state. Even so, I would agree that artists are getting exploited. However, that’s because the market they are forced to engage with is controlled by capital and not because IP is a physical thing that can be stolen.

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[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 months ago

I hope this and similar affairs turn into huge IP shitstorm which will explode straight into the faces of publishing mafia.

But i suspect they will just lobby legislation to copyright absolutely everything then give themselves the rights.

[-] sweatersocialist@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

"famous" "ai artist" "losing millions" "stealing" "his work"

[-] sweatersocialist@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago
[-] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

Most artists are making millions of dollars and very few are starving. Come on artists, share the wealth! how-much-could-it-cost

[-] asante@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

hahaha mario-finger get fucked popuko-finger pipimi-finger

[-] StalinStan@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

People take AI hate way too far. This guy dump as hell though

[-] Des@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

i mean every booster for AI tech is basically a weird asshole.

if they were smarter and got more personable people to advocate for the tech maybe regular people would hate it less

but instead it's either smarmy techbro psychos or cringe right wing assholes using it exclusively.

[-] StalinStan@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

Yeah, like in thr absence of capitlaism ai could be treat. But I stead being teatoilled about it people keep trying to use it to neoliberal harder so that does suck.

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[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

That’s what you get when you have a detestable crowd of conmen jumping from hyped thing to hyped thing to try and speculate and con money out of late entrants. It’s the same people, the crypto-bros and wallstreet bets people that go around pushing AI hype and everyone knows it reeks

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