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[-] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 238 points 2 months ago

These mean nothing for as long as the US government continues to contract work for these projects through private companies. This country needs a publicly-funded and operated office of construction. Otherwise, be prepared to watch that $8.2b amount to a couple hundred feet of rail and go 10x past budget and schedule

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 152 points 2 months ago

Not just that, we also need to take back the physical rails from private freight companies.

We gave them to them because they said they'd maintain them, but they don't because the insurance premiums are cheaper, and after major wrecks the taxpayers still have to pay to fix the worst sections to prevent a crash.

That's why passenger rail is virtually non existent here.

Since freight owns the rails, they get priority. So a passenger train might have to pull over and wait a couple hours for a freight train going 5 mph to get past them.

If we don't fix that, there's no point in doing anything else

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 76 points 2 months ago

One rather comedic and unfortunate problem—rail tracks are designed to somewhat circumvent this problem by occasionally splitting into two parallel tracks. The slower train goes onto one track and then the faster train goes onto the other track to pass it.

Now, the biggest issue is that freight companies have realised it's more profitable to run obscenely long trains rather than running more trains. As a result, the freight train is often longer than the entire section of parallel track, rendering it useless.

[-] frosty99c@midwest.social 34 points 2 months ago

Ugh, Cincinnati just voted to sell the last municipality owned rail line to Norfolk Southern. I agree with you completely.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

Well, at least they didn't sell it to a company who just had a crash spilling dangerous chemical is their state...

/s

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[-] greenskye@lemm.ee 28 points 2 months ago

Freight, by law doesn't actually get priority, but that law is basically never enforced which amounts to the same thing.

[-] nullPointer@programming.dev 15 points 2 months ago

sounds like the perfect use of eminent domain.

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[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago

I agree. You should start a grassroots campaign to get people in these local communities to start beating down their Rep's doors to make this happen. Not even joking.

[-] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago

Me? No, I'm just gonna bitch about it online. But you, you should

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[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 months ago

I agree that regulated public rail is a better implementation, but this does not "mean nothing", it's a substantial investment in critical infrastructure and shows that the US is trying to catch up to the rest of the world.

It's a significant policy.

[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Amen.

Just look at the further decimated ruins of our public education system after diverting funds to charter schools.

Privatization of the commons is just another capitalist con-game to grow/metastasize/profit off of aspects of society where any rational, empathetic person would immediately understand greed has no place.

But acknowledging greed as the destructive force it is is the height of Un-American at this point, so whatever. There doesn't seem to be anything more than a tiny smattering of powerless peasants that even acknowledge let alone care what giving sociopathic, insatiable greed the keys has and continues to do to the citizenry. Even those most hurt tend to side with the faceless, amoral corporate entities that hurt them and blame whoever their preferred mass propaganda tells them to blame.

Oh lost your job/savings/future? Man, I'll bet you're really mad at that camp of powerless homeless people over there, or the concept of government (even though the corporations intentionally, loudly broke ours and bribe officials to keep it broken), it's really their fault if you do enough mental gymnastics, herp derp!

[-] PizzaMane@lemm.ee 25 points 2 months ago
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[-] neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 91 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A high quality version of the map can be found at the bottom of this PDF: https://railroads.dot.gov/sites/fra.dot.gov/files/2023-12/FY22%20CID%20Project%20Summaries-Map.pdf

And here's a screenshot of the high-res map: https://imgur.com/dHbLmXL

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[-] IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 85 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Okay for those who aren't aware of how this program works, here is a breakdown of what's being handed out and a very brief summary of the programs.

The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA) of 2021 creates two very broad categories for train development.

  • The Federal-State Partnership Grant Program, AKA the "Fed-State National" (The actual building of new stuff)
  • The Federal Corridor Identification and Development Program, AKA the "Corridor ID" (The looking at maybe building stuff)

The Fed-State National is getting the most money because obviously it's going to be building new things and repairing old things. The Corridor ID won't be building anything, per se, but will be helping the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) and "others" to identify locations that could join the current network of passenger rail. The Corridor ID is only handing out $500,000 per selection so I won't be giving amounts there.

Fed-State National

  • Alaska — ARRC Milepost 190.5 Bridge Replacement Project (Awarded $8,200,558)/~$10.3M(2026)
  • California — California Inaugural High-Speed Rail Service Project (Awarded $3,073,600,000)/~$33B(2029)
  • Illinois — Chicago Union Station Mail Platform Reactivation Project (Awarded $49,600,000)/~$62M(TBD)
  • Illinois — Chicago Union Station Platform Capacity Expansion & Train-shed Ventilation Improvements Project (Awarded $44,000,000)/~$55M(TBD)
  • Maine — Downeaster Corridor Track Improvement Project (Awarded $27,492,000)/~$34.3M(2025)
  • Montana — Malta, MT, Corridor Operational Enhancement Project (Awarded $14,900,000)/~$18.6M(2026)
  • Nevada — Brightline West High-Speed Intercity Passenger Rail System Project (Awarded $3,000,000,000)/~$10.4B+(2028)
  • North Carolina — Raleigh to Richmond (R2R) Innovating Rail Program Phase IA and II (Awarded $1,095,576,000)/~$1.4B(2033)
  • Pennsylvania — Pennsylvanian Rail Modernization Project (Awarded $143,629,028)/~$180M(2030)
  • Virginia — Transforming Rail in Virginia Phase 2 Project (Awarded $729,000,000)/~$2.6B(2029)

Total award: $8,185,997,586

Do note that for pretty much all of these projects, the awarded amount is NOT the total cost of the project. After each awarded amount, I have put / and then the current estimate for completion of the project. As example, the California high speed rail is currently estimated to cost $33 Billion. The year of TBD in parenthesis is the latest year the project is expected to be completed. The Nevada high speed rail project has a + on it's cost because that $10.4 Billion is an initial estimate that was put into the program before the close date, the cost has increased since then.

The Corridor ID program can be divided into four sub-programs.

  • Purpose a new high-speed rail - brand new, solely dedicated to this purpose.
  • Purpose a new conventional rail - brand new to passengers, may share with freight
  • Use an existing route with upgrades/extensions - already serves passengers, shares with freight, some new rail
  • Use existing route - simple improvements to frequency, trip times, stations, or other simple characteristics

Remember that each of these is awarded $500,000 to do detail study in how to implement the program they've been slotted into:

New high-speed rail

  • Amtrak - Texas High-Speed Rail Corridor
  • NV DOT - Brightline "West" High-Speed Corridor
  • CHSRA - California High-Speed Rail Phase 1 Corridor
  • WA DOT - Cascadia High-Speed Ground Transportation
  • NC DOT - Charlotte, North Carolina, to Atlanta, Georgia, Corridor
  • North Central Texas Council of Government - Fort Worth to Houston High-Speed Rail Corridor
  • Antelope VTA - High Desert Intercity High-Speed Rail Corridor

New conventional rail

  • NC DOT - Asheville to Salisbury, North Carolina, Corridor
  • GA DOT - Atlanta to Savannah Corridor
  • City of Chattanooga, TN - Atlanta-Chattanooga-Nashville-Memphis Corridor
  • LA DOT - Baton Rouge-New Orleans Corridor
  • MA DOT - Boston and Albany Corridor
  • CA DOT - Central Coast Corridor
  • NC DOT - Charlotte to Kings Mountain, North Carolina, Corridor
  • IL DOT - Chicago to Quad Cities Service Extension Program
  • City of Fort Wayne, IN - Chicago, Fort Wayne, Columbus, and Pittsburgh
  • OH Rail Dev Commission - Cleveland-Columbus-Dayton-Cincinnati (3C&D) Corridor
  • OH Rail Dev Commission - Cleveland-Toledo-Detroit Corridor
  • CA DOT - Coachella Valley Rail Corridor
  • Front Range Passenger Rail District - Colorado Front Range Corridor
  • VA DOT - Commonwealth Corridor
  • DE Transit Co. - Diamond State Line
  • Eau Claire County, MN - Eau Claire-Twin Cities Corridor
  • NC DOT - Fayetteville to Raleigh, North Carolina, Corridor
  • Southern Rail Commission - Gulf Coast Passenger Rail Service
  • TX DOT - Houston to San Antonio Corridor
  • Southern Rail Commission - I-20 Corridor Intercity Passenger Rail Service

(continued...)

[-] IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 62 points 2 months ago
  • FL DOT - Jacksonville-Orlando-Miami Corridor
  • KY KIPDA - Louisville-Indianapolis Passenger Rail Corridor
  • FL DOT - Miami-Orlando-Tampa Corridor
  • WI DOT - Milwaukee-Madison-Eau Claire-Twin Cities Corridor
  • Big Sky Passenger Rail Authority - North Coast Hiawatha
  • MN DOT - Northern Lights Express
  • City of Peoria, IL - Peoria to Chicago Passenger Rail Service
  • AZ DOT - Phoenix - Tucson Corridor
  • Schuylkill River Passenger Rail Authority - Reading-Philadelphia-New York Corridor
  • PA DOT - Scranton to New York Penn Station Corridor
  • TX DOT - Texas Triangle: Dallas-Fort Worth-Houston Intercity Passenger Rail Corridor
  • WI DOT - TCMC Service Expansion via La Crosse
  • NC DOT - Wilmington to Raleigh, North Carolina, Corridor
  • NC DOT - Winston-Salem to Raleigh, North Carolina, Corridor

Use existing routes with upgrades/extensions

  • Amtrak - Amtrak to Long Island
  • CA DOT - Capitol Corridor
  • Northern New England Passenger Rail Authority - Downeaster Corridor
  • VT VTrans - Green Mountain Corridor
  • MO DOT - Hannibal Extension of Existing Chicago-Quincy Corridor
  • KS DOT - Heartland Flyer Extension
  • MO DOT - Kansas City, MO, to St Joseph, MO
  • CA DOT - Los Angeles-San Diego-San Luis Obispo (LOSSAN) Rail Corridor
  • WI DOT - Milwaukee to Green Bay (Hiawatha Service Extension)
  • CA DOT - San Joaquin Valley Corridor
  • VT VTrans - Vermonter Corridor
  • VA DOT - Washington, D.C., to Bristol, VA, Corridor
  • MI DOT - Wolverine Corridor

Use existing route, simple upgrades

  • NY DOT - Adirondack Corridor
  • WA DOT - Amtrak Cascades Corridor
  • AK Railroad Corporation - Anchorage North & South Corridor
  • NC DOT - harlotte, North Carolina, to Washington, D.C., Corridor
  • IL DOT - Chicago to Carbondale Corridor
  • MI DOT - Chicago to Grand Rapids Corridor
  • MI DOT - Chicago to Port Huron Corridor
  • IL DOT - Chicago to St. Louis Higher-Speed Rail Corridor
  • Amtrak - Daily Cardinal Service increase
  • Amtrak - Daily Sunset Limited Service increase
  • NY DOT - Empire Corridor
  • CT DOT - Hartford Line Corridor
  • IN DOT - Indianapolis-Chicago Corridor
  • PA DOT - Keystone Corridor: Pittsburgh to Philadelphia
  • WI DOT - Milwaukee to Chicago Hiawatha Service Expansion

Total Award: 69 (noice) that I counted multiply by $500,000 = $34,500,000

Remember that the Corridor ID program is money the indicated people can use to do a required study for ultimately asking to be in the next grant of the Fed-State National. Just because these people are handed the money for the study DOES NOT MEAN that a rail project will be funded by the Fed-State National program.

Total awarded amount by the FRA as directed by the President: $8,220,497,586

Also note this excluded explicitly funding already earmarked for Railroad Crossing Elimination (RCE) and Consolidated Rail Infrastructure and Safety Improvements (CRISI) as required by law. Things inside the RCE and CRISI are mandatory spending line items.

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[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 74 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

ITT: "I like trains but this is bad because I can't admit that Biden is capable of doing anything good."

Cynicism is what's killing America. Faster than any politics. Look in the mirror and grow the fuck up.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

I don't agree with him often, but damn we should have put in a rail system decades ago.

[-] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

The best time was decades ago, the second best time is now!

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[-] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 69 points 2 months ago

So...what if the railroad companies take the money and then do absolutely nothing, like what happened every single time this has been tried? What is there to hold them accountable this time?

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 43 points 2 months ago

Add telcoms to that list as well... almost a trillion was given to them to get broadband in all homes in the USA...poof

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[-] Adalast@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago

In fairness, last time this was tried we had Husky Musky employing a fraud with the explicit intent of killing the high-speed rail. Toss on a host of republican opposition and undermining in 2013± and you have the reason why it failed. It has nothing to do with the rail companies. It has everything you do with political dysfunction and not wanting to "let liberals win".

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[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

In the one hand, most of these allocations are to fund planning studies, so that’s exactly what will happen

In the other hand this is not like the telecom situation where we hand money to private companies promising to provide service. It’s generally infrastructure improvements and I believe project ownership is Amtrak or local DOT

[-] Onfire@lemmy.world 67 points 2 months ago

The US desperately needs a high speed rail road. It's long overdue. It's the future. This should be a bi-partisan project.

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[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 54 points 2 months ago

Wow, this guy really fucking loves trains. For real, though, this is really great news.

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[-] HexBee@lemm.ee 50 points 2 months ago

If I could ride a train, instead of flying across the US, that would be so nice. Hop on one train, take the travel time to read, wfh, relax and avoid traffic.

I also find it ironic how central to the web Chicago is looking when Saint Louis put up that fight so long ago.

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[-] JoJoGAH@lemmy.world 47 points 2 months ago

For at least 30 years middle Georgia (USA) has asked for rail commute to Atlanta and Savannah.

Now see.....this rail used to be a passenger rail. Somehow this ended and we can't get it back.

With the abysmal traffic in Atlanta, this would seemingly call for enthusiasm. Somehow the issue always dies quietly after a poll is given.

Living in Savannah, I'd really just like the old passenger schedule to re open.

Not gonna happen anytime soon.

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

My god, a rail system all the way down I-75, A STRAIGHT FUCKING SHOT PERFECT FOR A TRAIN, would be amazing.

Instead, we got more Peach Pass that is seemingly never open on the side that actually needs it.

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[-] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And of course the automobile and oil lobbies will have such a massive fit that these plans end up always going nowhere.

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago

Love how these huge infrastructure projects get announced right at beginning of election season, so even if it does actually get set up, it'll just get ripped out by the next party after he loses.

Ain't no way we're getting bullet trains when NYC's subway barely qualifies as having a circular route.

Can't wait to see all this go to the lowest bidder so we can get the finest rail made of 1880 cast iron after a decade's worth of delay.

Its been 13 years and AT&T still hasn't given my old city fiber with the morbillion dollars they got to expand the nations network.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago

Cool.

Can we treat rail road workers like people too? Or are we still building all of this on the backs of people sacrificing their health and their families?

[-] You999@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 months ago

Not to downplay anything but passenger rail employees are treated significantly better than freight. The majority of employees have set schedules including conductors and engineer. It's different from crew base to crew base but between 15% to 30% are extra board working on call.

[-] 1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I wonder if the fact that Amtrak is nationalized and freight are private corporations has anything to do with how the employees get treated… Something to think about when it comes to freight railroads

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[-] PatFussy@lemm.ee 39 points 2 months ago

Im sure you Biden hating pessimistic losers would love to shit on this one.

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'll believe it when I see it is all I will say. Anyone can promise nationwide high speed rail for the US, and many have in the past, yet here we are. Genuine praise will be warranted when it's actually completed and carrying passengers.

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[-] alienanimals@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago

Lol why is the image at the bottom of the article so tiny? I want to see the map.

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[-] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago

About damn time.

[-] shasta@lemm.ee 26 points 2 months ago

Building it is only part of the solution. The other part is making it affordable to use. The rail in Florida was basically already built, and recently. The problem is that it's not affordable as an option for residents. A weekend trip from Orlando to Miami is $120 (one way) https://www.gobrightline.com/booking. It costs half that in gas to drive round trip, and takes about the same time too.

[-] UnPassive@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago

In my opinion, public transportation doesn't need to be profitable. Subsidized by taxes, like our freeways. Adds to the economy and is worth the investment

[-] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 months ago

Did they ever find the billions dedicated to improving high speed network access during the Bush era? They certainly didn't find the upgrades

[-] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Find it? It's not exactly missing, it's in the pocket of telephone companies mostly and some cable companies.

https://conexon.us/blog/sunk-costs-a-cautionary-tale/

Tldr: There's a lot more to it than just this, but the bill specified broadband but didn't specify the speed that meant. FCC set a good at the time goal of 100 mb/s speed internet for urban areas but a not even that good for the time goal of 4 mb/s speed for rural areas. They would then pay companies to achieve those goals in essence. FCC calculated the cash awards for reaching those speeds based on if companies were to do it by building a fiber network. Companies didn't need fiber to hit those slow rural target speeds, built much cheaper networks, many already existing, and then pocketed the difference. Good idea, but ruined in the details and telecom companies made off like bandits.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

And all the lawyers and opponents are salivating at the prospect of getting in the way of the project and miring it in profitable legal battles.

[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

is there a bigger version of this image? i can't read that blurry shit

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