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[-] ennemi@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Cool comic and mostly good advice but I'd make some adjustments and additions :

  • Don't ball up your fist, keep your hands relaxed and flex your knuckles right before impact
  • Exhale as you're throwing the punch, you'll get a bit more power and you won't get tired as fast if you have to throw some more
  • You shouldn't lean into it that much, leaves you open to unpleasant things like getting knee'd in the face
  • Best not to "follow through" like that either. Your punches should be snappy and practically bounce off of the nazi's face. This is also conducive to punching more nazis, or punching the same nazi more
[-] qprimed@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago

all of this advice is on point. loose hands until just before impact makes for faster hands. also gives you grabing options.

the "snap" is where all the damage happens, your hand sould come back as fast as it went out. hips help with all of this. power and speed flows through the hips, while still keeping your body conected to the ground - (almost) literally, you are connecting your body with the earth and smacking them in the face with the planet.

commentors point about knees is correct and, if anyone is looking to get decent at striking combat in a short amount of time... find a good gym and train muay thai.

[-] ennemi@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

yeah a well executed punch definitely doesn't need to have your whole body strength behind it in order to fuck someone up, and whatever lands is infinitely more damaging than what doesn't

I'd also recommend training combat sports. even if you never end up in a violent altercation the compound benefits are fucking amazing

[-] qprimed@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

training and sparring is 100% therapy.

[-] moonlake@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

What's the best combat sport to train if my main priority is to fuck up Nazis with maximum efficiency?

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[-] qprimed@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 year ago

not bad. however, DONT overextend (the hero in the comic is overextended). distance is vital for clean form and effective recovery back to guard position - your target (the point where your punch finishes) only needs to be about 5 to 8 cm behind the point of impact. "followthrough" is done with the hips and not the hand.

[-] ennemi@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

this guy punches

yeah ideally your shoulders should go from at an angle to straight

[-] john_browns_beard@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

If someone starts acting hostile towards you, ALWAYS throw the first punch and ask questions later. A lot of people think it's legally smarter to wait for the other person to swing first, but in most jurisdictions just the threat of violence is considered assault and that's grounds to defend yourself. Opt for a quick punch in the nose as your opener vs. a huge haymaker.

Keep your hands up at all times to protect yourself if it turns into an actual fight.

If you are outnumbered, you should be running and not fighting. Same goes for if your opponent has any sort of weapon.

If you are in a fight and someone grabs you around the waist, make yourself dead weight immediately because unless they are a wrestler or know BJJ (in which case you are megafucked regardless) they will try to slam you. Even better, don't give them a chance to grab you around the waist.

Overall, everyone should get some kind of fight training if they can afford it. Gyms will be filled with chuds but you don't have to be friends with them and you can leave at any time. Even a couple of months of BJJ or Muay Thai will give you a huge advantage if you ever find yourself in a real situation.

[-] D61@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

Remember comrades, Assault is the "threat" of violence, Battery is actual physical violence.

Somebody shouts about how they are going to hit, hurt, chase, shoot and or kill you? That's assault.

The battery doesn't start until after the beating, shooting, killing begins.

stalin-approval

[-] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

that's a somewhat common distinction but specific terms do vary by jurisdiction. talk to your lawyer if it's gonna matter

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

specific terms do vary by jurisdiction.

This is very important. In many jurisdictions things are not that clear cut. In many cases it is up to a rather subjective assessment. Threats alone might justify physical self-defence but the severity or credibility of the threats can influence that. Your options for self-defence can also enter into the assessment. Not all places have "castle doctrine" or "stay your ground" principles and will not allow you to do physical self-defence if you have the option of running away.

Stay safe out there. From the Nazis and from their friends in uniform.

[-] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Overall, everyone should get some kind of fight training if they can afford it

i always recommend boxing myself
quick to learn, striking beats grappling in most street fights, boxing gyms are everywhere, and it's usually on the cheaper end

[-] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

how much will you get hurt in boxing if you're a beginner?

[-] john_browns_beard@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Probably less than Muay Thai, more than BJJ. But I agree that striking is going to be safer than grappling in any non-organized fight. You don't want to take it to the ground if there's any sort of risk that somebody might jump in. Sparring in a controlled environment with gloves and headgear on is going to be very safe in general.

[-] Vingst@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Good quality OC/pepper spray is even better, if you are allowed to carry that. You get 10 feet of effective range instead of getting in punching distance. It's worked for me in a real situation.

And if somebody half turns away from you, balls their fist, and slightly bends their elbow; you're about to get sucker punched.

[-] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

One good strategy for keeping your hands ready is to keep them up but hands open, palms facing the opponent. This looks more like you are trying to calm the situation rather than squaring up, avoiding unnecessary provocation and keeping at least some element of surprise. The most important part is situational awareness, always assume there's another attacker coming and be ready to escape.

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

Ouch sweetie you need to rethink this. Punching Nazis is not good, they need to be debated 🍷

[-] ennemi@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

My left hand is named "semantic jab" and my right hand is named "ad hominem"

[-] cmhickman358@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

And the knee is titled "closing statements"

[-] qprimed@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago
[-] Civility@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago
[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

Especially if they're punching you at the time.

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

Hitler only came around and changed his ways, pledging to do better, because heroic liberals listened to his story, debated him in the marketplace of ideas and were willing to reach across the aisle to make difficult compromises.

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

The optimal way to punch a Nazi is to hit them with small pieces of metal going very, very fast

[-] ElGosso@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

Don't punch Nazis

It's insufficient pavlichenko

[-] ThePenitentOne@discuss.online 20 points 1 year ago

People forgot why WW2 happened, apparently ig. Any Nazi today needs the same end.

[-] ped_xing@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Had us in the first half

[-] Othello@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

everyone says join BJJ but all the places are full of chuds and cops. i feel very unsafe around large aggressive conservative white men. are there any solutions other then keep looking? should I try boxing or mma instead for less chuds?

[-] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

BJJ kind of sucks in real fights. BJJ is based on grappling and ground fighting. you can get this aspect of fighting from Judo or wrestling. however, grappling and submission holds aren’t everything in actual fights. you can learn how to punch and kick with Muay Thai or boxing/kickboxing

[-] Othello@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

noted! i think i would be good at boxing and kick boxing too, I have crazy long limbs.

[-] GorbinOutOverHere@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

that's a really over extended punch like fyi i wouldn't do that

if I ever think about punchin' someone in the moment bawllin-sad

[-] Civility@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago
[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Why the filtrum?

I thought best punching spots were bridge of the nose for a straight shot and side of the chin for a hook?

[-] qprimed@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

broken noses are cool, but the filtrum is fragile and can be crushed causing serious, permanent damage to the face.

[-] john_browns_beard@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

My concern about aiming for that spot in particular is that there's a high likelihood you seriously fuck up your hand on the recipient's teeth even if you land it perfectly. The nose is an easier target and much more forgiving on your knuckles.

[-] qprimed@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

agreed, but if its one on one and we are equiv. height (or opponent is a little taller and tucking their chin), my fist is meeting square-on with their face, breaking bone and removing teeth. that location is pretty catastrophic and almost certainly ends the fight.

however breaking shots to the nose (as you discussed) are fantastic and usually blind the opponent with their own involuntary tears, allowing for retreat (sometimes a good option). this is why a nice crisp jab is sometimes all you need.

an addendum: in almost any violent situation, the primary goal is to end the situation and exit with minimal damage. however you manage to achieve this successfully is a win. fight enough and you will find someone with your kryptonite, so avoid fights as much as possible. if its unavoidable, then end the fight as quickly as possible and exit.

[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Revelation: Essence of Fash Bash

[-] axont@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Hirameita!

Saejima in the back carving a little wooden statue of a Nazi getting thrown out of a moving car

[-] Abraxiel@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

You should really step into your punch with the same-side leg rather than cross-side, so you get a better hip turn.

[-] PolPotPie@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

mmm love grating my fist skin like cheese on a nazi's teeth

[-] Justaguymakingapost@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

If everything I've read and watched is anything to go by, punching somebody in the head/face can sometimes cut up your hands on the pointy and sharp bits of the skull. You should only punch if you're familiar with those parts of the skull or have gloves on. Better off going with open hand slaps and palm strikes. Fists, elbows, knees and feet are for the torso, arms, legs, neck and groin; palms are for the face, and fingers are for the eyes. There are also a lot of places on the body where you can grab and bite, if you're so inclined.

[-] meth_dragon@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

knuckle pushups for knuckle armor!

doesn't actually provide any damage reduction but it hurts a bit less

I don't think you're well served punching someone unless you have a coach critiquing your form. I think you could read or watch a video about a trip and have pretty good success with it. I think if you got somebody with a punch while you're untrained, you were going to get them with anything. I would rather you try to imitate an osoto gari than a punch. I feel like a whole lot can go wrong if you're not being conscious of your distance. You'll stay in the pocket and suddenly you wake up with a bunch of stitches.

If you're actually going to study, you should go for something that's a combat sport so that you spar and pressure test your art. Otherwise, you should be aware that your ability to fight is 20% of what you think it is and you get to keep 20% of that 20% when all the adrenaline dumps and your mind starts reacting in weird ways. I did muay thai for years and I doubt I get to keep any of it in a dishonorable fight.

[-] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

yeah, that sounds fun. definitely get some practice by taking boxing classes or something first, though.

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