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[-] miz@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

even if this policy worked (and it won't) how much of an edge does the US even have in this area, two years tops?

[-] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

At the rate China is advancing, not long at all

[-] miz@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

when that massive particle accelerator comes online for etching shit is going to get real

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[-] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

Genshin impact is building a fusion reactor

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[-] laziestflagellant@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago

I wonder if in a couple of years I'll be trying to discreetly import a Chinese made gpu (32gb vram, half the price of competing nvidia card) labeled as an air purifier or some shit

[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago

being immediatly visited by the feds because your chinese made gpu doesn't have a backdoor (for them) and the NSA Panopticon throws up an error

God I hate that this sounds like the most crank shit imaginable and yet it's still not

[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Years ago, there was some weird glitch on the NSA's software where it wouldn't work without one particular American-made GPU part, but they just kept it in without bothering to look at it, because the two manufacturers are already American anyways? But then it becomes a problem when China puts their hat in the ring, and there's so much spaghetti code they can't possibly find the source of the problem. Lathing it.

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[-] grendahlgrendahlgen@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago

I'm relying on this website to tell me how to acquire said GPU when the time comes. blob-help

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[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 55 points 1 year ago

I fucking hope they try this. It'll hand the future to RISCV and we'll finally see the end of x86

[-] darkcalling@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't get why people think this. They'll just ban RISCV or at least any productions of it from outside western aligned foundries. If national security claims aren't sufficient they'll claim that all Chinese foundries are staffed by child slaves and beaten monkeys and no one else and slap bans on their use anywhere in the west. What this all accomplishes is creating a bifurcated tech world.

As these lay out you'll have three types of countries:

  1. Imperial core loyal, can only use and allowed to use western tech, patents, chips, etc, restricted from sales to 2, 3
  2. Chinese/Russian core and their periphery of most loyal customers who choose to endure blistering western blockade on import of any western tech and other coercive measures against them and thus are able to use whether they like it or not only Chinese/Russian chips, brands, tech.
  3. Non-aligned just like the first cold war, nations that the US allows some sales to but puts restrictions on them, prevents re-export to countries under 2, and they can't get the very best stuff western because they haven't agreed to exclude Chinese/Russian tech and adopt western "clean network"

It's all part of a larger coercive paradigm to build a tall fence around the western controlled yard and drag as many countries as they can to within that, isolate China and Russia and crank up the heat on trade war, embargo basic materials, cut off exchange of scientific knowledge and figure they come out on top. As it stands the US navy and NATO navy are much stronger than Russia and China's combined fleets, the Chinese in particular have entirely structured themselves around near defense of their coastal waters with very limited long-range capabilities which means the US can interdict off the coast of say Africa or South America to enforce blockades, to do piracy and hampers and harass Chinese and Russian development. Eventually the Russians and Chinese will have to respond but they're very hesitant to react and keep on flinching which is why the west is confident in continuing this strategy and in the near-term it certainly looks like it will bring the west benefits in terms of delaying the decline of their hegemony somewhat and in fact increasing the level of coercion. They believe the best time to strike is now while they still have dollar hegemony, while they still have SWIFT, while they still have the upper hand in many areas and they're not wrong. The only reason they aren't moving faster on this is they are beholden to not totally wrecking their own capitalist/corporate interests and need to give companies time to wind down and change supply chains which takes years. The west let's not forget has a stronger starting position and hand thanks to centuries of colonialism and plunder, thanks to a century of successfully waged cold war which they won, thanks to extensive experience and prep-work for stay-behind, for destabilization, for funding militants, for control of cyber-space from their commanding heights of control of the major internet companies which are all western based and control discourse and online life for much of the globe. (Also why they want to ban tiktok, they will not accept any cracks in their total dominance of the internet and the web)

The US may not succeed in pulling as many countries into their orbit and their tall fence small yard as they wish, then again they may. They ousted Assad after a decade, they've had their proxy crush Iranian influence in the middle east, they have many more color revolutions, islamist proxies, etc to throw in the fire. Nothing is certain other than that trade barriers are going up and the ability of those in the west to access tech not completely compromised by the NSA/eyes is decreasing rapidly as the boot comes down, as the progressive veneer drops, as companies drop even the pretense of caring about trans people, about LGBTQ rights, about racial justice, etc. They need to keep a lid on their own populations as well as maintain hegemony and turn up the pressure to isolate, cook, and destroy China/Russia or at least build their own independent kingdom and some outlying regions they subject to neo-colonialism to sustain capitalism in a different form.

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[-] Sickos@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago

Oh fuck the US is high on its own supply and genuinely believes this will work

[-] ihaveibs@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

They are panicked and desperate and still cannot show a single ounce of humility to save themselves lmao

[-] Bakzik@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago

Please China, use this opportunity to expand your market presence and export those homemade chips to the rest of the world.

I want to play La Witcherina IV and my computer needs an upgrade. I don’t want to sell a kidney just for an overpriced Nvidia GPU.

Now, seriously, it’s incredible how the Yankees keep shooting themselves in the foot.

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago

It already has. Since the US banned Huawei it has just used the open source part of Android to develop it's own OS, which now is more popular than iOS within China and growing outside of China. It's funny to me that people are doubting it's going to take off this year and get the app diversity that Huawei wants for it. Keep doubting Chinese companies, westerners.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202406/1314272.shtml

https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20241111PD218/harmonyos-huawei-android-expansion.html

Chinese chips are already viable for daily consumer computing (admittedly this is a broad definition). It is important to remember that Moore's law applies to Chinese advancement in semiconductor development just as it did for everyone else with the added exception that much of this technology does not have to be independently developed for the Chinese. They already know how most of it is done because these advancements are part of the public scientific record. For them, it's a matter of developing the processes to scale for manufacturing. So within the next 5 years I firmly believe we will see Chinese developed chips that are on parity with AMD and Intel. China does not throw tens to hundreds of billions of dollars into the development of something without staggering results and that is what they have done with domestic chip R&D. Everyone is saying 10 years, but China has proven time and again to beat expectations at double the pace when they are pressured.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2024/05/31/chinas-massive-barrage-in-the-chip-battle/

[-] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 47 points 1 year ago

What happened to sovereignty?? Possibly one of the stupidest and least enforceable policies ever made

[-] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

Sovereignty is contingent on whether you exceed the amount of the computing power the United States wants you to have

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[-] Eldritch@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I am thankful for the fact that our Chinese Comrades have shown great moral decency in the past and that as soon as our oppressive capitalist system is overthrown, we will immediately be able to mend our relationship and resume collaboration.

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[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago

I am filled with a potent cocktail of disgust and glee at this display of suicidal arrogance from our ghoul overlords, knowing that control is slipping through their bony fingers.

[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

biden-forgor Project Cybersyn

biden-rember Project Cyber Sins

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What possible justification is there for placing limits on the "rest of the world"? Besides racism and imperialism, I mean.

[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

why would this need a besides? or do you mean what's the propaganda reasoning?

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago

Yeah I want to know how they're justifying it. The likes of Biden don't usually say the quiet parts out loud.

[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

It's something between Asian Peril and McCarthyism where communist china is trying to take over the world to make you share toothbrushes honestly. I don't think the US needs much of a propaganda reasoning to act against China at this point

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[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How did we end up with the top leadership of the empire so drastically overestimating its current reach and abilities? At this point Trump has a more realistic grasp of global geopolitics.

Also this is basically the plot of the Three Body Problem except the Trisolarans could, y'know, actually do it.

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

Free market for thee, not for me

[-] Fishroot@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

Actually, the whole map should be red to curb the computing power and prevent the planet in becoming a slow cooker

[-] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

JFC, it's not even Lucy and Charlie Brown anymore. It's only Charlie Brown trying to punt the ball and he still just pulls it away from himself for catastrophic failure

[-] Cimbazarov@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

I'm wondering what advantage, if any, does AI really give for a nation? All I've really seen is that it can make people in beauracratic jobs be a touch more productive, but these jobs are already bullshit to begin with and are not producing real value. All this is doing is reducing some of the costs so that companies can report a bit more profit for the quarter.

Then there's all the slop AI can produce which doesn't really mean anything for competitive advantage. And there's also "AI integration" in products that don't really need it. So yea unless some compelling use case for AI is discovered, I feel like it's another crypto.

[-] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

MLMs are crazy useful in processing massive amounts of data for a bunch of scientific applications, and AI in general has uses in manufacturing and infrastructure, but the mass marketed LLM slop is not that and absolutely not necessary (or even particularly useful) for an individual.

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[-] Melonius@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Bidens fat poops are for imperial citizens ONLY. Sorry China you gotta find the right gut microbiome and manufacture it yourself if you want in on the secret sauce.

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[-] lorty@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago

The vast majority of countries fall into the second tier of restrictions, which establishes maximum levels of computing power that can go to any one nation — equivalent to about 50,000 graphic processing units, or GPUs, from 2025 to 2027, the people said.

Bruh, this can't be real

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[-] plinky@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

military ai is literally training on image recognition, you can do it on 4 gb card, if you have the time.

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