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[-] Zink@programming.dev 5 points 2 hours ago

This feels sad on the surface, as an American who went to college 25 years ago and is used to seeing people from around the world move here to learn, teach, start businesses, etc.

But giving it any real thought, damn it, it is much better for humanity this way. Climate change isn’t going to pause while the world watches us collapse.

[-] F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world 30 points 4 hours ago

This is amazing for us in Europe, bring all the educated ones and leave the Trumpers there

Fully onboard with this, welcome to Spain amigo.

[-] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 hours ago

well to some of us americans, who can’t leave, this is horrible… but logical….
the last thing i want is all the reasonable people to leave, and be stuck with these fuxks….

i kinda wonder now, how much did people fleeing nazi germany contributed to them solidifying power?

[-] parrhesia@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 hours ago

It's kinda funny, this is what Texas did to Oklahoma in regards to our teachers. Put up billboards saying that they paid more in Texas. It's depressing but it worked lol.

[-] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 hours ago

oklahoma wasn’t great before that, but at least it was OK…

[-] WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

I mean I imagine most people leaving would still keep American citizenship and therefore still be able to vote. Unless they decide to end their citizenship which some might but I imagine most people would still want to keep that option open.

[-] fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 hours ago

The world is looking to China too, their sciences are blossoming. Exciting times ahead while Americans decide who they are and want to be and eventually go through their own Enlightenment. Things are bad now, but tyrants always fall eventually. I think we are entering a sort of golden age for science.

[-] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

This thread gives me hope. Last Trump presidency Marcon told scientists to move to France. I was like... I hear you. Added 56 credit hours of math and science to my writing degree. Now I'm ready to do bioinformatics or something health data related not in the US.

[-] Slovene@feddit.nl 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

We have quite a shortage of doctors and other medical professionals in Slovenija. Come on over, guys!

ETA: and professors to teach at the medical university.

[-] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago

How much is med school there and are older people welcomed into the schools? I had to drop my premed program here in the US because I either need to be a med student for rural America ... which can get fucked imo or pay a million to stay in "progressive" cities.

[-] fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 hours ago

Most countries welcome medical professionals with open arms. They are always shortlisted. ;)

PS: I love Slovenija, it is so pretty. I reccomend it too!

[-] Bunbury@feddit.nl 23 points 6 hours ago

And as far as I’ve seen the numbers it’s working too. Anywhere in Europe that is academic or sciency is seeing record numbers of Americans applying. The brain drain will be real.

[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

It's already happened in Florida and Idaho at least, Idaho lost a huge amount of medical professionals thanks to RvW and state passed open ended and vague laws. Florida lost just about all their teachers DeSantis is stuffing schools with sycophants with little to no education and no teaching credentials. We're already losing.

[-] edryd@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

It has already been happening for several years now, it's just accelerated since Trump. Even before his first term there was a "negative brain drain" of educated workers no longer coming into the US because the benefits (paid time off, health care, etc) are so much worse compared to other countries, even when considering the higher pay. America used to rely on a steady stream of incoming highly educated workers.

But now there is a huge amount of well established academics leaving for Canada, EU, or anywhere else that will pay them. I work in a physics department at a large R1 university in a very liberal state, and we are losing 4 (that I know of) high regarded professors just this year alone moving to other countries.

The brain drain is here, and won't be reversing course even if Trump suddenly disappears. We would have to completely change how we reward work and our failing healthcare system for anything to change.

[-] Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 8 hours ago

My daughter is about 2 years from graduating high school, and even before Trump came into office I was urging her to consider non-US colleges. Mostly because she wants to go into medicine and our healthcare system has been broken for much longer than I can remember. But also the rise of Fox News (and others) getting away with stating provable lies as fact, Joe Rogan, et al. showed that there has been an inflection point and the country is being led around by the dumbest of us.

She's fluent in Spanish, though jumping straight into a medical program would introduce a lot of new specialized words, and might be to much. We're starting to look into options though.

[-] fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

College introduces a lot of new words in general. It is what it's for, plus, she will be in pre-med. Go for the Spanish route. She will flourish. :) Spain is so lovely. I hope I can land something there next.

[-] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Ugh, Spain is amazing. I dream of that country.

[-] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Specially in smaller cities away of the big two.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 16 points 8 hours ago

Medical English is largely stripped-down Latin, I wonder how similar medical Spanish is

[-] captain_oni@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 7 hours ago

The technical terms are very similar. The only issue would be the colloquial terms.

[-] tempest@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 hours ago

I mean English is sorta the science lingua franca so I imagine most of the technical words would be lone words if they showed up in a paper first.

[-] socsa@piefed.social 27 points 10 hours ago

It low-key reads like one of those "lonely singles in your area" ads.

[-] Acamon@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

Yeah, I good with the message, but that's one of the most uncomfortable looking photos I've seen. Where are they supposed to be looking?

[-] sgbrain7@lemm.ee 6 points 7 hours ago

I wouldn't mind moving to canada since I'm really close to the border anyway. it would be like nothing happened almost

[-] JOMusic@lemmy.ml 43 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Meanwhile the Trump administration has asked Australian academics to justify that their US-funded research lines up with Conservative values

[-] Ravi@feddit.org 71 points 13 hours ago

Come to Germany! We do everything like the US, but with a 4 year delay and 10% less intense! Relive your memories of when your homeland went down the drain!

[-] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 20 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I feel like the 4 year delay is gonna hit it's threshold and start surpassing the US. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like Germany has the populous to shift very quickly. Now that the US is full Fascism I feel like Germany just got the acceleration card equipped. Which will also influence the rest of the west and Americans to hit the "kill all Muslims" button as hard as they can.

Starting with "Hamas/Palestine/Antisemitism" as the justification.

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 11 hours ago

I still have the hope that people see the trainwreck the US is now and go "oh shit", and try to avoid it

[-] 0ops@lemm.ee 7 points 7 hours ago

It's happened before. A lot of the allies in ww2 were nazi-curious before their country was invaded. They were getting fairly popular in the US especially, holding large rallies and captivating the hearts of several of our captains of industry. I won't go into the details.

Some states will go down the path of fascism until they pass the point of no return, and the state that existed before is well and truly dead. When they're done warring against their own minorities they'll attempt to expand to neighboring states because they need to justify their own existence.

Some states will follow the path of fascism until they see their peers further down the path either trapped in the turmoils of war and genocide, or threatening war and genocide on themselves or their close allies, then they turn around out of fear of the new common enemy. Like a sailor trapped by a sirens call only snapping out of it when the sailor in front of them gets devoured.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

The reaction to Brexit in the rest of the EU - where almost from one month to the next people's support for the idea of leaving the EU crashed to less than half as much as shown in various polls at the time - gives me hope that what Trump is doing in America is actually crushing the chances of his ideology in the rest of the World.

This seems to already be happenning in Canada (we will know for sure once the result of their upcoming elections is out).

In summary, I think there is good reason to hope that the result in the rest of the World of the Fascist Far-Right taking over a high-profile country like the US will be either the crushing of the Far-Right or it very explicitly distancing itself from the kind of ideology espoused by Trump - in other words, that America, just like Britan with Brexit, is really and unwittingly taking one for the rest of us.

[-] cabinet_sanchez@midwest.social 15 points 10 hours ago

As a pretty terrified American, I actually take some comfort in this idea. Please learn from us. I just hope if things get that far here, that the rest of you will have some empathy for those of us who did not want this. So many comments from people in other countries are blaming every American for this. Seeing so many of those comments (mostly on Reddit) has been the second scariest part of all of this for me. I'm used to being hated in the abstract for being an American, but to think that if the fascists here get their way people like me have no hope of escape is too much to think about

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

If there's any consolation, I personally support asylum for Americans escaping political persecution for my country, I just hope that our government will act quickly enough for it, and the right not getting in the way

I expect a lot of, especially queer, people trying to escape, and I really hope we get something in place before it's too late

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[-] darthelmet@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

I have less hope for two reasons:

These are still capitalist countries and thus the incentive for fascism still remains even if it gets delayed a bit.
The US is the largest, most dangerous military superpower the world has ever seen and it has shown time and time again that it’s willing to use that might to bully other nations into economic submission. No country is really safe if it decides to start going after them. The US hasn’t always won these wars, but even when it fails like in Vietnam or Korea, it does enough damage on the way out to cause massive destruction and suffering which has long lasting consequences. I seriously doubt the rest of the world is just gonna get to sit this one out and watch America self destruct.

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 hours ago

For 1., also don't forget that major labour movements spring up during and after WW2, it's hard to say how much of a repeat that will be this time around, but the potential is there

And 2., I agree, I am concerned myself, especially with nukes these days

But on the other hand, economy, and reliance on globalized production chains, is so much more central to the core of a nation these days. It's not possible to just produce everything locally anymore, not like it was during WW2, anyway. everything is too hyper specialized for that now

So there is the potential that, if the US really does something very stupid and gets a complete embargo from the rest of the west, they're just going to get completely fucked (and so will the rest of the west, but you know). So the amount of damage they end up being able to do might end up being limited

Of course, China would benefit massively from this, as they do actually go heavy on self-sufficiency, and then there's the risk of Russia exploiting this as well, but the silver lining is that the US simply might collapse before it manages to do some real damage

In the end, I think the future of how the world will look like will be up to China. I really really hope that they end up having a massive democratic movement for the sake of the world, but we'll see. At least China so far still seems like a rational actor on the world stage, although still ruthless and self-serving, of course

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[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 15 points 10 hours ago

Actual free market at work, as opposed to the shit we have in the U.S.