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All the libs will go back to brunch and sleepwalk for another 4 years. Harris will fail at everything she does and make life worse, especially for Muslims, and the left will be blamed for everything. The right will dig their heels in even more on reaction, yada yada, y'all know how this show goes.

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[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 94 points 2 months ago

Honestly, after that DNC, I legitimately crave nothing more than the complete and total dissolution of the USA and for all of it's citizens to be put on trial for crimes against humanity

Yes, even myself

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 62 points 2 months ago

I don't think I've seen a more congratulatory display of openly hating the poor and patting themselves on the back for genocide.

Dems you outdid yourselves.

[-] refolde@hexbear.net 39 points 2 months ago

Unlimited Tribunals on the United $$tate$$ of AmeriKKKa

[-] Finger@hexbear.net 35 points 2 months ago

no more half measures walter

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[-] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 75 points 2 months ago

After this week I'm convinced they're not winning. They're too high on their own supply, it's 2016 all over again.

[-] duderium@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago

I don’t get why hexbear has suddenly decided that kamala is going to win. Yes, she has a better chance than Biden, but it’s still basically just a coin toss.

[-] Breath_Of_The_Snake@hexbear.net 43 points 2 months ago

I think a lot of people aren’t factoring in the economic situation. Shits hard rn, a lot of people vote off that without having any form of coherent politics.

[-] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago

every four years the electoralism really comes on strong around here curious-marx

[-] BRINGit34@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 2 months ago

The only interest I have in the electoral process in America is the bets I place on it. I currently got 20 on trump against some old lib

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

and every time there's a bunch of smug "why do you care so much" energy that doesn't understand what electoralism even means. electoralism is directing the revolutionary party's resources and energy into the electoral process. on hexbear, almost nobody is even advocating people vote a certain way on an individual level. discussion/analysis of the bourgeois elections =/= electoralism. we aren't a political party that's being derailed from important political activity by a preponderance of talk about elections. at most it's just annoying

[-] macabrett@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 months ago

Electorlism is an addiction and should not be taken lightly. Vote for me and we'll have a Vote Exchange on every corner, so you can safely inject the votes directly into your veins without fear of illness.

[-] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago

Electoralism is when I talk about elections and the more I talk about elections the more electoral I am

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[-] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

Probably because Trump hasnt been funny for a while so we have lost faith in him, even tho the election will mostly be decided by who can mobilized their base more instead of going for the independents

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[-] rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

yeah it's still much closer than the dems are letting on. I'd guess that whatever the outcome, it's gonna be pretty close to 50-50 just like 2016 and 2020.

The difference is that Trump seems to floundering now, and has been low energy in general lately, and many right-wingers are getting tired of the Trump movement, and would probably prefer to go back to the conservative equivalent of brunch. Which wasn't the case in 2016.

[-] LGOrcStreetSamurai@hexbear.net 75 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Also considering the current age of identity politics I think there will be a lot of really gross and cynical uses of her identity. The "👏more👏women👏faces👏of👏empire👏" meme will be played out in some of the grossest way possible win or loss. It will be "inspiring" that she wants to be a helm of the machine that makes everything worse. I think it'll be uniquely bad for black leftists as I'm over 9000% certain that they will do the "If you ain't votin' for Kamala you ain't black" thing.

I also think there will be a lot of weird "DISCOURSE©®™" on how black is too black or not black enough or too woman or not too woman enough sorts of discussions. There are LOT of reasons to hate Kamala, and I want to say here and now I hate her cause she's an imperialist, a liberal, and just generally everything I don't like about democrats. Not her identity.

I think we are going to see a lot people talking about how it's either good or bad to be a bad bitch/brat (I don't even know what that means and I don't care enough about modern pop to figure it out)/girlboss when you're tough on crime or immigrants or all the stuff we hate about imperialism.

(for the record I think it's weird and perfectly shows how racist America truly is in that blackness sort of overwrites all other ethnic heritages and backgrounds because we hate it the most)

[-] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 45 points 2 months ago

Lots of it in her speech last night.

CW: SAShe mentioned sexual abuse in her speech four times, including in a section where she proclaimed her unwavering support for a pro-rape country, and pretended that her time as a prosecutor was spent defending victims of sexual violence rather than protecting the perpetrators.

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

She's also vice president to, at the least, a weird pervert and at worst a sexual predator

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 61 points 2 months ago

Harris will fail at everything she does

She's only failing if you think she's trying to make things better

[-] HamManBad@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago

Yeah she's succeeding at becoming president, that's all that's going to be accomplished by this campaign

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[-] RaisedFistJoker@hexbear.net 58 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Kamala is actually doing an incredible service for the left, she is drawing the line between those in the west that can actually even be considered to be on the left and the so called left, the liberals, now exposing themselves as naught but fasicsts. This line being drawn is incredibly useful as long as the left sees and recognises it, and pivots their strategies away from trying to ally themselves with fascists. Knowing the impotency of the western left, i dont have high hopes tho

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[-] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 54 points 2 months ago

You're talking as if the US didn't just have 4 years of Joe Biden.

[-] Tabitha@hexbear.net 48 points 2 months ago

it's crazy how much it feels like nothing happened in the US in the last 4 years but it feels like China built infinity high speed rails, infinity nuclear power plants, infinity solar panels, started an electric car revolution, has a microchips industry that's only 5-10 years behind (and I don't feel like computers are much faster than 10 years ago in the US...), 1 genocide (RIP deserts), has several competing flux capacitor prototypes, will probably build a base on the moon and mars, has a theoretical bases for the constructing the world's first matrix of leadership, can turn geese invisible, invented Kwisatz blockers, etc..

...meanwhile we only got something called "AI" whose best use-case is mass producing spam and misinformation.

[-] aqwxcvbnji@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago

several competing flux capacitor prototypes

I'm sorry? The time traveling device from back to the future?

[-] Tabitha@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago

posad Where we're going, comrades, we don't need roads.

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[-] macabrett@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 months ago

I don't know what you're talking about. I've been listening to the Democrats lately and it's clear to me that Trump has been in power for the past 4 years. We gotta vote blue to get him out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 31 points 2 months ago

Remember to write in Joe Biden, they say he's the only one who can save democracy

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[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 50 points 2 months ago

What left. Americas left has already been utterly destroyed at anything other than the hyper local level.

The only left that exists in the US is the one you build with your comrades and your community. Mutual aid will continue no matter who is in power and right now I'm afraid that's the best we've got.

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[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 50 points 2 months ago

I’m now pretty convinced that Trump is the harm reduction candidate. The best case scenario is Dems control Congress with Trump as President.

[-] BobDole@hexbear.net 58 points 2 months ago

I’m not sure harm reduction is even possible in the confines of the American bourgeois electoral system

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 36 points 2 months ago

Not the normal way but perhaps through sheer laziness and incompetence

[-] Maturin@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

I've had similar thoughts about 2020 in retrospect, except with accelerationism. The common sense was that accelerationists should support Trump over Biden, but Biden actually turned out to be the accelerationist candidate.

[-] HamManBad@hexbear.net 30 points 2 months ago

I'm starting to be convinced that we can't predict shit about shit when it comes to electoral politics, other than the obviously correct take that this thing is on rails to fascism and WWIII at an unknowable time in the future regardless of who wins

[-] rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago

yeah I really can't think of anything that would actually be better under a Harris administration. Trans issues I suppose? And maybe reproductive rights? Although roe v wade was overturned under a dem administration so even that falls flat.

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[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 49 points 2 months ago

I've completely lost hope that capitalism can be defeated in time to take action on climate. Global collapse will do it in before revolution at this rate doomjak

[-] Omegamint@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago

It may end up being too late to prevent collapse, but it will never be too late to get revenge

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[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 45 points 2 months ago

with all the shit im hearing out of the DNC its way less than certain she'll even eke out the win now. all she had to do was shut the fuck up and let the nebulous difference between her, Trump & Biden do the work but now she's sieg heiling away the volunteers and affiliate organizations.

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[-] Barx@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago

It would just be Obama 2.0 but without the charisma and probably with less competency given how terrible her 2020 campaign was. Which aligns with your description. Liberal status quo, identity politics masking social murder, back to brunch, and ascendant reaction as material conditions continue to proletarianize the public while no left outlets for political organizing can (yet) sufficiently capture the disillusioned.

Things will be pretty similar either way, though. Ds and Rs will trade off and govern the machine in ways that lead to the same conclusions. Libs will go back to brunch under D's but that just means we can't backseat drive them. But that doesn't work very well anyways because we are too few. Our work remains, more or less, the same, and it comes back to organizing fundamentals.

[-] HarryLime@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago

Honestly, she already is, or maybe she's the culmination of Biden's disaster. Everything has been driven so distressingly far to the right.

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